Episode Details

Season 2 is here — and we're diving into one of the most important (and most overlooked) conversations in church ministry: your emotional health as a leader.

Jonathan Malm and Jason Young kick off their discussion of Peter Scazzero's The Emotionally Healthy Leader by unpacking the four telltale signs that a church leader is running on empty — and why most of us don't even realize it's happening.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• Why 95% of leaders think they're self-aware — but only 10–15% actually are
• The difference between holding binoculars and holding a mirror — and why it changes everything about how you lead
• Why prioritizing ministry over marriage (or key relationships) is a losing strategy for everyone — including your church
• How "doing too much for God" can actually be a sign you're running from something
• What Sabbath really means — and why a day off isn't the same thing
• How to tell the difference between an issue worth addressing and unnecessary chaos you're creating yourself

Plus, Jonathan gets honest about reading Scripture just to find content for SundaySocial, and Jason shares the sobering research on what's actually driving burnout in church staff.

Whether you're a pastor, a church staff member, or a volunteer leader, this episode will challenge you to stop pointing the binoculars outward and take an honest look in the mirror.

📖 Reading along? Pick up The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Peter Scazzero wherever books are sold.