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Art Bell interviews Dr. Allan Botkin, a clinical psychologist who discovered that a modified form of eye movement desensitization and reprocessing can reliably induce after-death communication experiences in grieving patients. Botkin explains that by targeting the core sadness underlying grief rather than surface emotions like anger or guilt, and then applying rhythmic eye movement, he achieves a 98% success rate in producing ADC experiences across thousands of patients.

Botkin recounts his first case, a Vietnam veteran haunted by the death of an orphaned Vietnamese girl killed by sniper fire. During treatment, the patient reported seeing the girl as a grown woman surrounded by white light, expressing gratitude and love. The experience resolved decades of grief and guilt, and follow-up years later confirmed lasting healing. A former patient named Jimmy calls in to describe his own session, where he communicated with four Marines killed by mines and received information about a hidden tunnel entrance he had never known existed.

Botkin addresses skepticism by noting that an intern who simultaneously performed the eye movement technique during a session independently experienced the same ADC as the patient, suggesting an objective phenomenon rather than hallucination. He observes that even deceased individuals described as abusive in life consistently appear apologetic, as though transformed by a life review process.