Episode Details

In this episode of For Humanity, John travels to Brussels, Belgium for PauseCon — the global gathering of Pause AI volunteers and advocates — joined by board member and author Louis Berman and filmmaker Beau Kershaw.

The goal: train activists to be more effective in the fight against AI risk. What unfolded was one of the most honest conversations in the AI safety movement about why, despite 80% public support, almost nobody is actually showing up.

John didn’t pull punches. Nothing is working. Not fast enough. Not at the scale we need. But the energy is out there — and this episode is about where to find it and how to channel it.

The centerpiece is a live debate between John and Max Winga of Control AI on one of the most divisive strategic questions in the movement:

Should we talk about extinction risk directly — or meet people where they are with the harms happening right now?

Together, they explore:

* Why 80% public support hasn’t translated into mass mobilization

* The case for leading with existential risk vs. “mundane” AI harms

* Data centers, community opposition, and financial pain as a strategy

* Why John believes laws and treaties alone won’t save us

* The winning state: making unsafe AI bad for business

* What’s actually moving the needle in the US right now

* How to talk to someone about AI risk without losing them

* The “yes and” approach vs. the AI safety world’s love of “no but”

If you've ever wondered why the AI safety movement struggles to break through despite overwhelming public agreement — this episode is required viewing.

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