Episode Details

In this episode of Scale HER Up – The Female Entrepreneur Show, I’m joined by Gillian Ogilvie, Managing Director of the Edinburgh practice of Will Rudd Davidson, a consulting civil and structural engineering firm that designs buildings, roads, drainage and the infrastructure that underpins everyday life. Gillian leads a 40+ person team in a still very male-dominated industry – and is determined to change not just the numbers, but the culture.

Gillian talks about diversity, patriarchy and the “imposter” label. She shares how her thinking has evolved from “we need more women in construction” to “we need more diversity in all its forms” – gender, background, personality, identity – because rigid stereotypes do not serve men or women. She dislikes the way imposter syndrome is framed as an individual female failing, and instead points to workplaces and wider systems that still treat anyone who doesn’t fit the traditional mould as an “outsider”.

Culture is a huge focus for her. With extremely low staff turnover and a management team that has “grown up together”, Will Rudd Edinburgh is a close-knit business – but that creates its own challenges. Gillian describes how they realised they were great at praise and terrible at honest feedback, and how a staff survey led to a cultural change group, four “pillars” of focus and training in non-violent communication to help leaders get more comfortable with difficult conversations.

We walk through Gillian’s career journey: from contractor on large building sites in London, working long days and Saturdays on hospitals and office blocks; to a multinational consultancy designing big infrastructure projects like tunnels at Heathrow Terminal 5; to moving north to Edinburgh and joining a smaller practice where she could see more of the whole picture and connect with people. Over 20 years she progressed from project engineer to director – and, in 2020, stepped into the MD role just as the pandemic hit.

She shares candidly what it was like to take over a healthy business in the middle of COVID, make early redundancy decisions under furlough uncertainty, and spend her first two years with one clear internal brief: “Don’t break it.” It took time, stress and a lot of self-doubt before she felt she had solid ground under her feet and could say, “I know what I’m doing – and I’m going to lead my way.”

We also talk about male allies and privilege. Gillian credits former MDs, especially Stuart Davidson, with seeing potential in her she couldn’t see herself and pushing her forward in her career. She reflects on the “inner core of steel” that came from a loving, stable upbringing and knowing she always had a safety net – and how that made it easier for her to call out inappropriate behaviour than it might be for someone on the breadline with no backup.

From there, we go big-picture: patriarchal norms that tell men they must always be the provider, never cry and carry everything; the impact of COVID on flexible working and how many men in her practice now request flexibility for childcare, training and life; mental health in construction, including the shocking statistic on male suicide; and why she believes changing work patterns and expectations for men will have a ripple effect for women and families too.

Gillian leaves us with a powerful decision-making lens: “every choice has a cost”. Instead of seeing options as right or wrong, she weighs the costs she is willing to pay – whether that’s missing a networking event to protect time with her husband, or choosing to speak up in a meeting when she knows it will drain emotional energy. It’s a tool that helps her lead authentically, without getting trapped in “good girl” thinking.

This is a thoughtful, energising conversation about engineering, leadership, cultur