Episode Details

Anthropic sued the U.S. Department of Defense on Monday over its decision to designate the San Francisco AI company a “supply-chain risk to America’s national security.” That’s after the firm refused to let its systems be used for mass surveillance or autonomous weapons. Meanwhile, OpenAI has struck a deal with the Pentagon to deploy its own AI tools – a move that has triggered backlash inside the tech world. We take a close look at the relationship between Silicon Valley and the Pentagon and the ethics and effectiveness of using AI in war.

Guests:

Paul Scharre, executive vice president, Center for the New American Security; author, "Four Battlegrounds: Power in the Age of Artificial Intelligence," and "Army of None: Autonomous Weapons and the Future of War"

Ro Khanna, U.S. Congressman for California's 17th Congressional District (Silicon Valley)

Sheera Frenkel, technology reporter, The New York Times; co-athor, "An Ugly Truth: Inside Facebook's Battle for Domination"

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