Episode Details

Marcus and Esme made a mistake. In the span of three weeks they put out two episodes about the evils of dehumanization (and the cruelty that comes along with it), and one episode in which they unironically called Epstein and all of his buddies “monsters.” You might be surprised to learn that this glaring inconsistency went unnoticed by the couple until earlier this week. 

So, Marcus and Esme clarify their stance on dehumanization (spoiler alert: they’re against it) and explain how their emotional reaction to the news sparked some cognitive dissonance. They also explain that their impulse to dehumanize was rooted in their desire for justice, and their concerns that these men might not get the justice they deserve . . . unless we all do our part to hold them accountable.

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Sources for this episode include:

• Mills, Kim. “Speaking of Psychology: The Psychology of Wealth, Empathy, and Entitlement, with Paul Piff, PhD.” American Psychological Association, Episode 338, June 2025, https://www.apa.org/news/podcasts/speaking-of-psychology/wealth-empathy. 
• Cunningham, Mary. “Wealth Inequality in America Just Hit Its Widest Gap in More than 3 Decades.” CBS News, 21 Jan. 2026, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-wealth-gap-widest-in-three-decades-federal-reserve. 
• “Billionaire Wealth Jumps Three Times Faster in 2025 to Highest Peak Ever, Sparking Dangerous Political Inequality.”  Oxfam International, 19 Jan. 2026, https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/billionaire-wealth-jumps-three-times-faster-2025-highest-peak-ever-sparking. 

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