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A wall of U.S. air and naval power now sits within reach of Iran, but does massed hardware equal a winning strategy? We sit down with Colonel Douglas Macgregor to map the real shape of a campaign: suppressing integrated air defenses, cracking command-and-control, and hunting Iran’s theater ballistic missiles before they launch. The outline sounds familiar; the context does not. Iran fields depth, industry, and partners willing to help, and that changes everything.

We walk through the limits that rarely make the speeches: finite interceptor stocks, exhausted carrier groups, long supply lines, and the simple physics of sortie generation. If tempo drops after a week and magazines thin by two, what choice set remains? Macgregor argues deterrence-by-buildup misreads Tehran’s will to fight. For Washington, this is leverage and signaling; for Iran, it’s survival. That gap in motivation means salvos won’t stop because a president expects them to. And if an American ship or regional base takes a serious hit, the psychological shock could matter as much as the physical damage.

External players complicate the map. China sees Iran as vital to energy security and the Belt and Road, reportedly moving hundreds of missiles and precision systems that threaten ships at sea. Russia’s experience in air defense and electronic warfare lurks in the background. Across the region, public anger grows, and Turkey weighs how and when to act. At home, elite consensus can be loud, but assumptions of quick regime change and clean outcomes echo past mistakes.

This conversation is a grounded, unsentimental look at targets, timelines, risks, and endgames. If the first days don’t deliver capitulation, what then—pause, escalate, or negotiate from a weaker hand? We don’t offer easy answers; we ask the questions leaders must face before the launch order is signed. If this deep dive challenged your assumptions, follow, share with a friend, and leave a review so more listeners can find it.

CHAPTERS:

• 0:35 Opening And Guest Welcome
• 1:20 Scale Of U.S. Buildup And Airpower
• 2:18 Likely Targets And SEAD Priorities
• 5:19 Russian And Chinese Support To Iran
• 8:17 U.S. Logistics Limits And Naval Risk
• 10:41 Trump’s SOTU And Deterrence Bet
• 12:15 Why Iran Sees An Existential Fight
• 16:17 Is An Attack Already Decided
• 18:55 Casualties, Escalation, And Endgames
• 22:09 Regional Blowback And Turkish Calculus
• 25:39 Carrier Readiness And Maintenance Woes
• 27:55 Nuclear Brinkmanship And Political Pressure