Episode Details

In this episode, host Sebastian Couture is joined by Chris Yin, CEO of Plume Network, to deconstruct the current state of Real World Assets (RWAs) and why the sector is at a pivotal inflection point. Chris argues that most RWA projects today are functionally "worse on-chain" because they lack liquidity, composability, and the "crypto-native" user experience that made stablecoins successful.

He details how Plume is solving this through a custom L1 stack and the Nest vault protocol, which tokenizes high-yield assets like Brazilian credit card receivables and oil production for a global market.

They explore the friction between traditional finance and DeFi, highlighting why private credit's long duration makes it unsuitable for the "looping" and leverage that drives crypto demand. Chris explains the significance of Plume’s SEC Transfer Agent license and its role in bridging the gap between regulated funds and permissionless rails.

Finally, the conversation tackles the "bleak" vs. "optimistic" future of crypto, asking whether the industry will maintain its core principles of self-custody and decentralization as it searches for a "new daddy" in institutional capital.

Topics

• 00:00 Intro & Context
• 04:15 The Job of a Founder: Finding Change
• 09:30 Crypto Natives vs. TradFi Suites
• 15:00 Stablecoins: The Only RWA That Matters (Today)
• 21:45 The Bottleneck: It’s Not Tokenization, It’s Demand
• 27:10 Why Build an L1 for Assets?
• 35:20 SEC Transfer Agent License Explained
• 42:15 Nest Alpha: Blending Oil, Credit, and T-Bills
• 49:00 Is Leverage Sustainable for Institutions?
• 55:30 The Exodus: Will Crypto Values Survive?

Links

• Chris Yin on X: https://x.com/chriseyin
• Plume Network: https://www.plumenetwork.com/
• Nest: https://nest.plumenetwork.com/
• NEAR: https://near.ai/

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