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James Cameron didn't want a song at the end of Titanic. Robert Kraft helped change his mind.

Robert Kraft is one of Hollywood's most storied music executives — an award-winning composer, producer, and the former President of Fox Music. Over a remarkable career spanning four decades, he helped shape some of the most beloved soundtracks in cinema history: The Little Mermaid, Titanic, Avatar, The Mambo Kings, Ice Storm, Life of Pi, and many more. He also launched Jim Henson Records, worked alongside Ang Lee and Chris Columbus, produced Seth MacFarlane's most absurd passion project, and somehow ended up with Miss Piggy in a leather jacket singing Born to Be Wild with Ozzy Osbourne.

But this conversation isn't just about Hollywood. It's about what happens when a man who spent decades in one of the world's most ego-driven industries finds his way to the yoga mat — and what it taught him about presence, acceptance, and the art of not tensing up.

Martin and Robert get into the inside story of recording Under the Sea for The Little Mermaid, what it was like to work with Ang Lee (who never gave up his vision without quietly getting exactly what he wanted), and why the music that touches millions is never just about the notes. They also go deep on what yoga reveals about the mind, how to sit with discomfort instead of running from it, and why accepting what is — rather than fighting it — might be the most underrated life skill there is.

Funny, warm, and genuinely wise. One of the most entertaining conversations Odyssey & Alchemy has produced.

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