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What if the path to healing after the worst thing imaginable ran straight through the person who caused it?

Aaron Lyons has spent over 20 years guiding some of the most painful conversations a human being can have — between murder victims' families and the people responsible, between communities torn apart by violence, and between Israeli and Palestinian youth who grew up seeing each other as the enemy. He's a director at Just Outcomes Consulting and one of Canada's leading voices in restorative justice and peace building.

In this conversation we explore trauma therapy and emotional healing not as coping mechanisms but as something closer to transformation — a mother who bought a bike for the man who killed her son, a grieving woman who walked out of a restorative circle no longer needing to be believed, and youth from opposite sides of one of the world's most entrenched conflicts who made films together and became friends. We also get into why punitive justice systems are built around punishment rather than healing, and what restorative thinking might offer conflicts that feel impossible from the outside.

This is one of the most moving conversations this show has produced — proof that dignity, not punishment, might be the thing that actually heals.

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