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It has been harder to get insight into the dynamics of President Trump’s White House this term compared with the first one, partly because there have been fewer leaks. But after the attack on Venezuela and the administration’s actions in Minneapolis, I’ve found myself wondering: How exactly is Trump making decisions? Who is he listening to? How does this White House work?

Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer cover the Trump administration for The Atlantic and have written a series of big profiles on key figures in this administration. Parker previously won three Pulitzer Prizes for her reporting at The Washington Post.

Mentioned:

“The Wrath of Stephen Miller” by Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer

“‘I Run the Country and the World’” by Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer

“This Is the Real Reason Susie Wiles Talked to Me 11 Times” by Chris Whipple

“Susie Wiles, JD Vance, and the “Junkyard Dogs”: The White House Chief of Staff on Trump’s Second Term (Part 1 of 2)” by Chris Whipple

Book Recommendations:

The Secret History by Donna Tartt

Bel Canto by Ann Patchett

Frankly, We Did Win This Election by Michael C. Bender

An Image of My Name Enters America by Lucy Ives

Palimpsest by Gore Vidal

Blood by Douglas Starr

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