Episode Details

Malcolm and Simone Collins go deep into the newly released Epstein files and discover something uncomfortable: Epstein was obsessed with many of the same ideas they are — gene editing, artificial wombs, human genetic enhancement, AI, fertility maximization, alternate governance, and “playing to win” civilizationally.

So why do they sound so similar on paper… yet feel morally opposite?

In this episode the Collinses explain the real divide in elite power networks (it’s not left vs. right), why Epstein could never break into the Thiel/Musk/Schmidt circles, the two actual factions fighting for the future (space cowboys vs. hidden thrones), and why Epstein’s version of the game ended in baby-killing and microtransaction brainwashing while theirs is about open, transparent, high-fertility, high-agency humanity.

Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today.

Today is an episode. I have been so jonesing to do, so excited to do because as the Epstein files have continued to be comb through by people, a lot of people, what they are, noting is Epstein in terms of the world views he had in terms of some of the people who he rubbed shoulders with is very similar from an outside perspective, from a fuzzy, like a grease on the limbs perspective to us,

Simone Collins: no

Malcolm Collins: pedal.

So just as a few examples here, so like if it, because Tim Poole had an episode where he did a very good job going over like the dark transhumanism of Epstein. And you know, they’re pointing out, obviously the one that a lot of people know about is the farm where he was gonna have impregnate 21 and they were just gonna have lots of his kids.

Simone Collins: It wasn’t a farm, it was a large ranch compound in New Mexico.

Malcolm Collins: Well it [00:01:00] sounds a lot like a human farm to me, Simone. Yeah, you can, you can call it what you want. You

Simone Collins: didn’t know how to make things sound so charming,

Malcolm Collins: That he was working on and funding. Human journaling, gene editing research editing human genetics.

He was looking at how to upload human sentient to machines so that he could live longer. He was interested in alternate forms of governance structure.

Simone Collins: Oh no,

Malcolm Collins: he was interested in people who, who’ve known it. It broke from the guardian that we had we’re working on a plan to create a charter city essentially a independent region.

Simone Collins: He did not really,

Malcolm Collins: no. That we were going to not Oh, that we

Simone Collins: were, yeah. We,

Malcolm Collins: we were going to, we were, yes. But he was also working on similar ideas.

Simone Collins: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: That and with some people who even we’ve talked to that he was looking at. AI safety related stuff. My God.

And how a, oh, he was [00:02:00] even working on ai sex bots. Which, you know, we’ve created with R Fab ai. So we look at these various projects. And PE people see this, right? And they go, you guys, you guys seem to work on a lot of the same stuff, like, what’s going on here? And before I go into the specifics, because I really wanna go into the, the specifics of what he actually said, not what people are saying about what he said, because I think a lot of the Epstein stuff goes through a bit of a game of telephone and you just get a vague idea of what was scandalous.

Instead of you’re like, oh, this is what he was saying to Nick Bostrom, he knew Nick Bostrom. You know, you know, you’re like, okay, okay, okay. This is more I can, I can see where this conversat