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Back to EpisodesEpisode #531: Revenue-Based Lending Meets Crypto: Building Leviathan on Sui
Season 15
Episode 160
Published 7 months, 3 weeks ago
Description
In this episode of the Crazy Wisdom Podcast, host Stewart Alsop sits down with Lars van der Zande, founder and CEO/technical architect of Inkwell Finance, for what Lars describes as his first-ever podcast appearance. The conversation covers a wide range of blockchain infrastructure topics, including Lars's work with Sui and Solana blockchains, the innovative capabilities of Ika's programmatic wallets and blockchain of signatures, and how Inkwell Finance is building revenue-based financing solutions for on-chain entities—from AI agents to protocols. They explore the evolving landscape of crypto regulation, the merging of traditional finance with blockchain technology, the future of decentralized legal systems, and how the user experience barrier is being lowered through technologies that eliminate constant transaction signing. Lars also discusses Inkwell's embedded financing approach and their pre-seed fundraising round.
Links mentioned:
- Inkwell's website: inkwell.finance
- Inkwell on Twitter: @__inkwell
- Lars on Twitter: @LMVDZande
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction to Inkwell Finance and Technical Architecture
02:06 Understanding Sui and Solana: Blockchain Dynamics
05:55 The Role of Ika in Inkwell Finance
11:51 Leviathan: Revenue Generation and Financing in Crypto
17:38 The Future of AI Agents and Programmatic Wallets
23:23 Smart Contracts: Legal Implications and Future Directions
25:06 The Future of Inqvil Finance
25:42 Decentralization and Its Evolution
27:32 The Merging of Traditional and Crypto Systems
29:33 Global Financial Dynamics and Market Reactions
31:48 The Collapse of Traditional Financial Systems
32:46 Jurisdictional Shifts in the Crypto World
33:59 Legal Systems and Blockchain Integration
35:57 On-Chain Credit and Financial Opportunities
39:29 The Role of AI in Finance
41:30 Learning from Peer-to-Peer Lending History
43:14 Disruption in Insurance and Risk Management
44:54 On-Chain vs Off-Chain Data
46:54 The Evolution of the Internet and Blockchain
49:12 Future Subscription Models in Blockchain
Key Insights
1. Ika's Revolutionary Blockchain Signature Technology: Lars discovered Ika, a blockchain of signatures built on Sui that enables any blockchain transaction to be signed without revealing the underlying message. Using patented 2PC MPC technology, Ika splits key shares across validators and encrypts them in transit, performing complex cryptographic operations that allow smart contracts on Sui to generate signatures for transactions on any other blockchain. This eliminates the need to build separate smart contracts on each blockchain, fundamentally changing how cross-chain interactions work and opening possibilities for truly interoperable decentralized applications.
2. Programmatic Wallets vs Traditional Wallets: Traditional wallets like MetaMask require manual user approval for every transaction through a front-end interface, but Ika's D-wallet introduces programmatic wallets with policy-based controls embedded in smart contracts. These wallets can execute transactions based on predetermined conditions checked against on-chain data like Oracle prices, without requiring individual user signatures. For example, a Bitcoin D-wallet can hold native Bitcoin without wrapping or bridging to a custodian, and smart contract policies determine when and how that Bitcoin can be transferred, creating unprecedented security and automation possibilities for decentralized finance.
3. Inkwell's Revenue-Based Financing Model: Inkwell Finance is building Leviathan, a revenue-based financing platform for on-chain entities including protocols, AI agents, and individual traders with verifiable track records. Borrowers receive c
Links mentioned:
- Inkwell's website: inkwell.finance
- Inkwell on Twitter: @__inkwell
- Lars on Twitter: @LMVDZande
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction to Inkwell Finance and Technical Architecture
02:06 Understanding Sui and Solana: Blockchain Dynamics
05:55 The Role of Ika in Inkwell Finance
11:51 Leviathan: Revenue Generation and Financing in Crypto
17:38 The Future of AI Agents and Programmatic Wallets
23:23 Smart Contracts: Legal Implications and Future Directions
25:06 The Future of Inqvil Finance
25:42 Decentralization and Its Evolution
27:32 The Merging of Traditional and Crypto Systems
29:33 Global Financial Dynamics and Market Reactions
31:48 The Collapse of Traditional Financial Systems
32:46 Jurisdictional Shifts in the Crypto World
33:59 Legal Systems and Blockchain Integration
35:57 On-Chain Credit and Financial Opportunities
39:29 The Role of AI in Finance
41:30 Learning from Peer-to-Peer Lending History
43:14 Disruption in Insurance and Risk Management
44:54 On-Chain vs Off-Chain Data
46:54 The Evolution of the Internet and Blockchain
49:12 Future Subscription Models in Blockchain
Key Insights
1. Ika's Revolutionary Blockchain Signature Technology: Lars discovered Ika, a blockchain of signatures built on Sui that enables any blockchain transaction to be signed without revealing the underlying message. Using patented 2PC MPC technology, Ika splits key shares across validators and encrypts them in transit, performing complex cryptographic operations that allow smart contracts on Sui to generate signatures for transactions on any other blockchain. This eliminates the need to build separate smart contracts on each blockchain, fundamentally changing how cross-chain interactions work and opening possibilities for truly interoperable decentralized applications.
2. Programmatic Wallets vs Traditional Wallets: Traditional wallets like MetaMask require manual user approval for every transaction through a front-end interface, but Ika's D-wallet introduces programmatic wallets with policy-based controls embedded in smart contracts. These wallets can execute transactions based on predetermined conditions checked against on-chain data like Oracle prices, without requiring individual user signatures. For example, a Bitcoin D-wallet can hold native Bitcoin without wrapping or bridging to a custodian, and smart contract policies determine when and how that Bitcoin can be transferred, creating unprecedented security and automation possibilities for decentralized finance.
3. Inkwell's Revenue-Based Financing Model: Inkwell Finance is building Leviathan, a revenue-based financing platform for on-chain entities including protocols, AI agents, and individual traders with verifiable track records. Borrowers receive c
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