Episode Details

What actually happens when a top coaching job starts to unravel? And how much warning do you really get?

Martin Devlin sits down with former Wales and Fiji coach Wayne Pivac for a wide-ranging and brutally honest conversation about elite rugby, leadership, and what life looks like after the biggest job of your career ends.

Wayne reflects on his journey through international coaching, the realities of national team pressure, losing the dressing room, and why consistency is the hardest thing to achieve in test rugby. The chat also dives into the All Blacks, the gap to South Africa, player power, overseas eligibility, and what a new coach actually needs to fix when they walk through the door.

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