Episode Details

In this episode, Malcolm & Simone Collins explore the bizarre, contradictory, and extremely influential philosophy of Julius Evola — the Italian thinker often called the “super-fascist” who criticized the Nazis for being too materialistic and not racist/spiritual enough.

We cover:

* Spiritual racism & soul hierarchies (yes, really)

* Why he hated Nazis, democracy, modernity, Christianity, and Jews

* Magical idealism, riding the tiger, Kali Yuga & return to a primordial golden age

* Tantric sex metaphysics, non-ejaculatory rituals, graveyard meditation, and “metaphysics of sex”

* The strange influence on Bronze Age Pervert / BAP, new right vitalism, and even some Nick Fuentes-adjacent ideas

* Why we consider spiritual/mystical “vitalism” one of the most dangerous and self-defeating paths a person can take

Episode Transcript:

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are gonna be talking about the philosophical ideas of a man who hated the Nazis because he thought they were too woke and weren’t nearly racist enough for his standards. This is a man called Julius Ola. So, so actually he, he calls himself a super fascist.

He, he he didn’t actually hate the, he, he criticized him over that, but he thought that what they were doing broadly aligned with his ideology, which was a very interesting world perspective. And I, I wanted to talk about it because I was looking at and trying to understand where some of the new Vitalistic philosophies got their world framing from.

For example, the philosophy of BAP or Bronze h pervert, who, who by the way, has explicitly said to his followers, don’t read this guy directly. It’s all philosophical. Who what is it? Like mystical hoodoo? But he’ll occasionally read things that this guy has, has, has written as like a, a sort of [00:01:00] vibing.

And when you, when you see this guy’s idea, you’ll be like, oh, I can see where the framework presented by a Bronze Age pervert, or by a man’s world or something like that, may have come in part from this guy’s ideology. He was around during the period of World War ii, so you understand he was in Italy.

He’s an Italian. I know, I know. Terrible. Is he still alive? He was alive until the 1970s. Okay. But he’s not, he’s

Simone Collins: not an actively publishing substack author. He, he’s an an actual philosopher who wrote stuff in, born

Malcolm Collins: in the 18 hundreds. Yes. Pre-internet. Okay.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Okay. Gotcha, gotcha. So, like, philosopher, philosopher, guy.

And his ideas. If, if you strip out the, the racism and everything like that of his ideas, ‘cause that’s, there’s a lot of racism. It, it was interesting, he believed that different ethnic groups had different qualities. Like there was like a hierarchy of soul quality between ethnic [00:02:00] groups, but that you could work so that you, your goal was to always improve your soul quality.

Right? Like, like how we believe a person’s life’s goal is.

Simone Collins: So he wasn’t an HBD dude, he was a like soul. Like metaphysically. Different groups were different.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. That’s why he didn’t like the Nazis, because he said they, so that was his big disagreement with him. He was like, well, you know, they’re, they’re being too like materialistic.

Oh my God.

Simone Collins: Like, don’t look at the genetics. You have to, you have to look at their auras. I’m so what he thought,

Malcolm Collins: he thought that you could like, work out your soul enough. He’s like a soul Jim. What,

Simone Collins: on what grounds was he evaluating their souls? We,

Malcolm Collins: we will talk about it, but he thought that you could work it out enough that you could get your soul into like another ethnic group of souls.

So like, you, you could h