Episode Details

Wiley: The Godfather of Grime on Fame, Cancellation, Beef & the Truth About the Industry In this rare, unfiltered 2+ hour interview, He breaks down how jungle, garage, pirate radio, youth clubs, PAYG, and Roll Deep shaped grime, why no one person “started” the genre, and the evolution of his signature sound. Wiley speaks openly about fame, money, scrutiny, clashes, relationships with Dizzee Rascal, Skepta, Stormzy, Kano, Chip, Devlin, being cancelled, media influence, accountability, AI, and the future of grime.

Chapters:

0:00 Title

2:14 Welcome Wiley / why here

3:56 Why you don’t show up

6:16 Born & raised

7:10 School / outside life / beef

9:29 Siblings / Roll Deep / youth clubs

10:30 Musical influences / school music

12:02 American rap / writing lyrics

13:48 Wanted fame until I got it

15:10 Fame vs being human

16:21 Bonnie Blue / scrutiny

17:38 Jungle / Slimzee / name Wiley

19:34 Jungle to garage / PAYG

21:04 Record deal / money / MC style

21:56 Where school went wrong

22:35 Were garage MCs lyrical?

24:08 PAYG / Know Wee

24:38 Meeting Dizzee / new sound

25:51 Know Wee success / Maxwell D

27:01 Wiley flow / Dizzee

28:40 Is “Oi” grime?

30:09 Did So Solid start grime?

30:40 Bushkin: father of grime

31:11 PAYG vs HLC / no clash

33:30 Crew roles / PAYG ending

34:35 Helping Dizzee get signed

36:07 “Oi” / naming the scene

37:46 Grime legacy / hypocrisy

38:52 Wot Do You Call It / regrets

39:35 Origin of “grime”

40:33 No single founder

41:23 Clashes begin / moot

42:00 Lethal B clash

42:47 Uniting the scene

45:38 Dizzee / Ayia Napa fallout

47:55 Moving on solo

48:37 Dizzee & Eskimo Dance

49:44 Blocking unity

50:21 On stage together

52:12 Current music plans

53:11 Fame vs outside life

55:01 Kano clash / LOTM

55:45 Best MCs / Devlin

56:42 Mainstream success / Rolex

58:20 Face scar / not showing up

59:02 Money / spending / sharing

1:01:46 Crews vs solo

1:02:46 Chipmunk & Ice Kid

1:03:35 Why Chip blew

1:04:20 Grime direction / Twitter

1:06:51 Not feeling British

1:07:17 Ed Sheeran issue

1:09:25 Drake issue

1:15:37 Stormzy issue

1:22:57 Moving to Cyprus

1:24:09 Manager fallout

1:26:07 Being cancelled

1:27:23 Mental effects

1:28:36 Standing together

1:29:35 Learning & rebuilding

1:30:49 Streets = business

1:32:44 Tarnishing artists / Pow

1:34:01 Kanye / Diddy / outrage

1:37:30 Family impact

1:39:18 Raised without hate

1:40:35 Accountability

1:41:11 Too real for industry?

1:43:14 Relieved to be cancelled?

1:43:52 I’m not dumb

1:45:35 Food talk / comeback

1:47:12 Is grime yours?

1:48:25 Godfather title

1:49:09 Getting & losing MBE

1:51:26 Media is the devil

1:54:50 Why this interview

1:55:47 Media fearlessness

1:58:52 Ginga Jay cancelled?

2:04:29 Pen Game decision

2:07:03 Self-control / healing

2:09:03 Media tricks

2:11:26 Back to save grime

2:12:15 Thoughts on drill

2:13:24 Grime ≠ 140 BPM

2:14:30 Skepta UK vs USA

2:15:33 Skepta vs Joyner

2:18:09 Fixing grime beefs

2:20:11 Chip leadership

2:21:01 Singles vs albums

2:23:14 Younger generation

2:24:00 Big Smoke snub

2:25:11 Stormzy Glastonbury

2:27:05 AI / grime birth

2:30:09 Foundation / corruption

2:32:06 Rolex / Lethal B fees

2:35:00 Ungrateful / grime king

2:35:55 Grime vs drill / Central Cee

2:39:00 Boasty / Idris Elba

2:41:30 Stormzy praise / Chip

2:43:06 AI positives / flowers

2:45:37 Quick fire / thanks