Episode Details

A candid conversation between Gresham and Dray Jankowski (host of The Reboot Era) traces a familiar modern arc: job loss followed by reinvention. Their stories reveal a central idea: a layoff can be less an end than a moment that clarifies purpose, forces decisions, and accelerates action. The practical lessons that follow are for two groups: people actively looking for a job and people curious about franchising or starting something of their own.

Full episode: https://ceochat.co/interview/chat113-from-layoff-to-podcast-hosting-our-roadmap-from-uncertainty-to-entrepreneurship/