Episode Details

To most leaders, vulnerability in the workplace sounds like a liability…a quick way to lose your authority or your job. But Jordan Myska Allen, CEO of The Relateful Company and Uptrust, argues that honest relating is the ultimate competitive advantage.

In this episode, Jordan joins Corissa to dismantle the self-help industry and replace it with "inter-self help." He explains why meditating on a cushion is easy, but maintaining that Zen while your boss demands impossible deadlines is the real spiritual practice. Jordan shares his journey from being the "weird guy" at parties staring into people’s eyes to building a tech platform designed to fix the internet’s polarization problem.

Corissa and Jordan explore the concept of relational intelligence. They discuss the delicate art of being honest about workplace constraints (like why you can't just "ask for a raise" when layoffs are looming) and how to navigate the grief of outgrowing relationships as you evolve.

In this episode, we cover:

• The Workplace Depth Myth: Why demanding deep authenticity in a competitive job might be setting you up for failure, and how to find the honest middle.
• Relatefulness 101: Moving beyond solo meditation to find God in the awkward, messy, beautiful interactions with other humans.
• The Weird Guy Phase: Jordan’s confession about his early days of over-relating (asking strangers about their trauma at parties) and how he found balance.
• Uptrust: A sneak peek at Jordan's new platform that incentivizes trust and nuance over rage-bait and polarization.
• The Grief of Growth: Why evolving spiritually often means losing the people who can no longer meet you there, and how to love them from a distance.

Notable Quotes:

• "It's hard to be really open and authentic... when jobs are on the line and money's on the line." — Jordan Myska Allen
• "I don't know that there's anything to help, and I don't know what a self even really is." — Jordan Myska Allen
• "The true mysticism... is full engagement with full love emptiness." — Jordan Myska Allen

Resources & Links:

• Connect with Uptrust: https://uptrusthq.com/

Connect with Corissa:

• Explore the Advisory. https://corissasaintlaurent.com/advisory
• Inquire for Keynotes. https://corissasaintlaurent.com/speaking

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