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🎙️ 30. Jen Hatmaker (Relaxed in the love of Jesus) and Awake

Alexis Rice welcomes NYT Bestselling author, podcaster, and spiritual trailblazer Jen Hatmaker (@jenhatmaker) for a tender, fierce, and raw conversation about her new memoir Awake. It's about the collapse of her marriage, and the systems that helped build the house that fell. Together they unpack patriarchy, purity culture, codependency, women’s leadership in the church, LGBTQIA+ inclusion, and how to survive the holidays with people whose politics and theology break your heart.
Grab a copy of the book for a friend this holiday season!

💡 Key Takeaways

• Why deconstructing toxic systems is faithful work - and why some churches and platforms simply won’t change
 • A blessing and a help for parents when a child comes out, and how to build a safe home
 • How to navigate holiday tables with MAGA relatives: what you can’t control, when to draw a boundary, and why clear is kind (THX @BrenéBrown)
• A gentler Jesus: relaxed, non-fragile, present inside and outside institutions - and what it means to co-create “the good life” right now

👤 About Our Guest
 Jen Hatmaker is a longtime Christian author, speaker, and podcast host whose work has walked millions of women through authenticity, agency, and spiritual evolution. She’s the author of Awake and Fierce, Free, and Full of Fire, host of the For the Love podcast, and a loud, unapologetic advocate for women’s leadership and LGBTQIA+ inclusion in the church.

📚 Resources & Mentions
 📖 Awake: A Memoir – Jen Hatmaker
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Awake/Jen-Hatmaker/9781668083680

📘 Fierce, Free, and Full of Fire – Jen Hatmaker
https://jenhatmaker.com/fierce-free-and-full-of-fire/

🎙 For the Love with Jen Hatmaker – Podcast
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/for-the-love-with-jen-hatmaker-podcast/id1258388821

🌈 Church Clarity – finding clear, affirming churches (women in leadership & LGBTQIA+ inclusion) @churchclarity

📗 Codependent No More – Melody Beattie (on codependency & responsibility for our own healing)
https://www.melodybeattie.com/codependentnomore

📖 Renovation of the Heart – Dallas Willard (on spiritual formation & the character of Christ)
https://dwillard.org/resources/books/renovation-of-the-heart  @dallas_willard_ministries

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