Episode Details

In their very first Holy Homo Hangout Hour, Kari and Elise finally hit record on the conversations they usually have after the podcast ends. This time, they are talking about first queer relationships, especially when those firsts happen later in life.

They unpack puppy love that shows up “late,” why lesbians get stereotyped for U-hauling, secret first loves that never got closure, and the messy overlap of best-friend love and romantic love.

They also talk about the particular grief of breakups shaped by internalized homophobia, compulsive heteronormativity, and religious trauma, and what it means to grieve years later when you finally feel safe.

Join the conversation: What did you learn from your first queer relationship? Share your story in the comments or in our DMs on Instagram at @holyhomohealinghour.