Episode Details

John Clark sits down with Hall of Fame wide receiver and Eagles legend Terrell Owens to discuss how his holdout 16 years ago compares to that of Ben Simmons now.

(00:-1:49) TO kicks off the pod by recreating driveway scene 16 years ago

(1:50-3:09) TO compares Ben Simmons' saga to his; "Ben has to figure out what he wants"

(3:10-6:40) Is Brett Brown to blame for some of this? TO thinks so

(6:41-10:20) Is Simmons taking a bad approach to all of this?

(10:22-12:46) How does Owens see this playing out?

(12:48-13:49) "This won't end well for either side"

(13:50-17:18) TO details his holdout; "It had nothing to do with my teammates"

(17:20-18:03) TO's fight with Hugh Douglas

(18:04-21:32) What should Ben's mentality be?

(21:33-22:38) Thoughts on Embiid's comments about Simmons?

(22:39- 23:48) Is this a maturity thing with Simmons?

(23:49-24:44) How would TO's situation played out in the age of social media?

(24:45-25:58) Owens talks about McNabb's comments

(26:00-26:44) Comparing both "conduct detrimental to the team" scenarios

(26:45-27:54) Why can't Simmons be accountable?

(27:55-28:39) "If they can win without Ben, then they can without him"

(28:40-31:10) A discussion on Lane Johnson and mental health

(31:11-32:15) "There's always something in Philly!"

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