Episode Details

The Sublow Originator finally speaks!

In this explosive interview, Jon E Cash — the man who built the bridge between UK Garage and Grime — breaks his silence on who really started Grime, the birth of Sublow, and how the industry tried to erase his name from history.

0:00 Intro

1:42 Streetlife out now Shizzio X Uk Apache X Devlin

2:03 Welcome Jon E Cash

3:52 born & bred West London

6:00 facing racism early

7:08 80’s graffiti in Ladbroke Grove

8:27 I was the best at Graffiti

9:18 I’ll show you my legendary graffiti

12:54 graffiti was crime! / dangers

13:47 Hip Hop / going NY changed my life

14:21 1988 NY was best year of Hip Hop

14:46 why no graffiti in NY?

15:38 I saw the worse side of NY!

16:39 how did a 14yr old get to NY?

17:40 almost got robbed in NY

19:10 I went to studio 54! / Mike Tyson fight

20:40 NY chain snatching & beat downs

21:28 hotel kick out / Brooklyn

24:38 NY cr*ckheads / NY changed in 1990

25:56 Hip Hop scene in London / music releasing

27:06 we were biggest hip hop crew from West LDN

27:57 Mc D was the 1st woke UK MC ever! / flowers

32:54 Westwood did not do enough to help Uk Hip Hop

34:05 Hip Hop to Garage music / taking E’s

37:29 darker Garage / Martin Liberty Larner

39:12 merging Florida sound & Uk Garage makes Sublow

40:51 leaving Uk Hip Hop / Garage had a infrastructure

41:34 Hijack / Kamanchi Sly became Unknown MC

44:34 DTBK drops / new sound born / I was 1st!

45:17 Nicky Blackmarket label offer / EZ support

46:05 Sublow was not garage! / unwanted / Tape Packs

48:40 Jon E Cash & Sublow name origin

49:57 Dj’s rated Sublow / Forming Black Ops

51:57 1999 I was the 1st! / Jammer carried my record boxes

52:51 I rapped on Sublow I did not MC like Garage

54:12 I was 1st! check the timeline!

54:34 1xtra named it ‘Grime’ & we were first!

56:16 I was way before Skepta & Wiley

57:30 Did you start Grime? / I’m the bridge!

58:16 Bushkin did not start grime!

1:00:28 industry called it ‘Grime’ & I didn’t like the name

1:04:49 everyone copied my sound

1:06:17 they try to erase my name from history

1:06:56 WEST LDN started it not EAST! / Slimzee

1:08:48 check history Black Ops ran things 1st!

1:09:08 I’m the bridge! / Sublow is / Vs Grime

1:10:07 Dizzee Rascal also credits dirty south for Grime

1:10:35 West LDN started Grime

1:11:17 Sublow is Grime!

1:11:51 Shizzio & Jon E Cash in 2005!

1:13:28 the evolution of Grime

1:21:35 back to music / unique sound

1:23:37 new album details / Black Ops

1:26:15 Grime album also coming soon

1:26:32 stop doing that! / Grime resurgence

1:29:56 making Grime / Sublow is a job

1:30:54 I’m active! / Grime is active!

1:33:55 I got cancelled! / music ownership

1:40:36 AI in music thoughts

1:42:09 AI Q’s / AI breakdown

1:43:32 Wiley collab / POW copied Sublow!

1:45:31 robbed of flowers

1:46:10 is Wiley grime godfather? / Bushkin

1:46:29 would Grime exist without Sublow?

1:47:01 Sublow being erased from Grime narrative

1:47:34 betrayal / 2025 Grime / new gen producers

1:49:11 sublow live sets / sublow copycats

1:50:39 lack of innovative producers

1:51:32 playing the industry game

1:51:54 F WU TANG!

1:53:01 regrets / Sublow Grime integration

1:53:49 ill destroy Wiley in a producer clash!

1:54:16 Dizzee Rascal Sublow sound

1:54:39 Ghetts gave me my flowers / industry lies

1:56:24 Sublow documentary / book / Urban word

1:57:57 Mak 10 / Vinyl decks / watch my levels

1:59:42 1 truth & 1 myth

2:01:37 quick fire questions

2:05:32 Jon E Cash flowers / Thank you / Outro