#12. Neil and Sarah have just wrapped up at the ASFA conference, and they reconnect with industry leaders and discuss the latest trends shaping super, from digital innovation and regulatory challenges to the future of retirement.

This episode features expert insights from guests like Jane Couchman from Aware Super, Zein el Hassan from Mills Oakley, and Shaun Bransdon from TAL Australia, covering everything from the rapid rise of AI in compliance to the changing expectations of retirement for future generations.

Highlights

00:34 Exciting exhibitors at ASFA Conference

03:01 Zen el Hassan, Partner at Mills Oakley, on AI in advice and super

06:03 Sarah's top picks of ASFA Conference sessions

10:00 Sarah's big idea: Separating accumulation funds from retirement funds

12:41 Retirement Funds: Accumulation vs. Drawdown

16:08 Shaun Bransdon, GM of Retirement and Wealth at TAL Australia, on retirement in 2040

16:40 "Future of Retirement in Australia"

18:14 Australia's aging population challenges

23:02 Jane Couchman, Chief Risk Officer and Group Executive, Sustainability at Aware Super, on balancing risk and compliance with innovation

26:12 Future of retirement the super system in 2050

28:08 Reflections on ASFA Con 2025 and looking forward to 2026

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Guests

• Zein El Hassan, Partner at Mills Oakley, on LinkedIn
• Shaun Bransdon, Retirement, Wealth and Superannuation Leader at TAL Life on LinkedIn
• Jane Couchman, Chief Risk Officer at Aware Super

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Sarah Penn

Sarah Penn is the CEO and founder of Mayflower Consulting, an Australian financial services consultancy specialising in product governance, PDS management, and product operating model design. Her team works with super funds, fund managers, and investment platforms across Australia.

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