Podcast Episode Details

Arbitrary Data Wars: The Rise of Node Power in Bitcoin | with Matt Hill

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Episode 40

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Matt Hill, CEO of Start9 — which is, as of this recording, the largest distributor of retail Bitcoin nodes (aka “pleb nodes”) — joins me to unpack the biggest underlying question of 2025: Who really holds power in enforcing (or disincentivizing) storage of arbitrary data on Bitcoin?

Unsurprisingly, Start9 has seen an epic leap in sales with the popularization of Knots as more and more “plebs” are choosing to run nodes for the first time — not only for the purpose of running Bitcoin in a sovereign manner, but for the purpose of expressing their political views about how the protocol should run.

As Core and Knots diverge on relay policy and proposals like “BIP 444” reignite the question of what belongs on-chain, this episode explores how Bitcoin’s technical infrastructure shapes and is shaped by culture, systemic power dynamics, and how the political apparatus of Bitcoin functionally operates.

Additionally, this is my first attempt to represent the “Knots” side of the argument on this show. Suffice it to say, get ready for some spicy takes all around— as Matt and I ourselves attempt to demonstrate productive communication from different sides of the political aisle.

In more detail, this episode explores:

1) Bitcoin’s role in the proliferation of “sovereign computing” and the special role of node runners in affecting Bitcoin governance

2) The 5 major “political parties” of Bitcoin: aka the core political players that ultimately influence both relay policy and consensus

3) Key history of the “arbitrary data wars” and how Luke Dash jr changed the conversation with his initial “bug fix” PR in the aftermath of the Ordinals boom

4) Views on different usecases for arbitrary data (e.g. BitVM vs Ordinals)

5) Matt’s spot on prediction of a “contentious soft fork” proposal (for context, we filmed this less than 2 weeks before the announcement of Luke’s divisive “BIP 444” proposal)

This episode of Bitcoin Rails is powered by:

- Best In Slot (@bestinslotxyz) — the leading API for Ordinals and BRC-20 data aggregation and indexing

- Spark (@lightspark) — a Statechains implementation leading the path toward institutional adoption of Bitcoin-powered payments

- Citrea (@citrea_xyz) — the leading Bitcoin rollup technology and contributor to the BitVM alliance

📌 Timestamps

00:00 Intro

01:16 Understanding Start9 and Its Political Implications

03:59 The Evolution of Computing Paradigms

08:01 Challenges and Solutions in Cloud Computing

35:49 The Role of Nodes in Bitcoin

37:36 Fork Scenarios and Consensus Rules

39:40 Economic Nodes and Fork Wars

44:36 Challenges with Bitcoin Nodes

01:09:33 The Birth of Knots as we Know it

01:10:23 Start9 and Open Source Software

01:12:44 Relay Policies and Arbitrary Data

01:19:50 Future of Bitcoin Governance

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