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What if joy isn't about choosing between the hard and the good—but embracing both?

In this episode of This Undivided Life, I talk with Jillian Benfield, author of Overwhelmed & Grateful: The Key to Finding God's Goodness in All Life's Ups & Downs.

We all want joy—but life is hard. Culture tells us to focus on the positive, yet science shows ignoring our pain only makes things worse. Jillian shares how real joy comes when we embrace both the hard and the good—the "&" in life.

Through her own story and practical insights, she reminds us we can be honest about our struggles and grateful for our blessings. Because life is both hard and beautiful—and true joy is found right there in the middle.