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Press TV: And to discuss that topic and more, we are now joined by Booker Ngesa, who is a member of Kenya-Palestine Solidarity Movement, joining us from Nairobi, and also Kevin Barrett, editor of Veteran Today, who is joining us from Saidia, Morocco. Gentlemen, thank you so much and welcome to the program. I’m going to start with Mr. Kevin. This is not the first time that we have seen the Israelis continue to attack this particular flotilla. But in your opinion, with the intervention of the Europeans, do you think we might be heading towards something entirely different?

Kevin Barrett: Well, it’s a good sign. It’s going to discourage further drone strikes as long as the flotilla remains in international waters. But as we heard from the leaders of Italy and Spain, it doesn’t sound like there’s any intention to protect the flotilla all the way to the beach of Gaza, much less to land in Gaza and protect the people of Gaza from the genocide that’s being perpetrated against them, which is what all nations in that region, and indeed all nations, period, should be doing.

Indonesia has announced its willingness to send tens of thousands of its troops to protect the civilians of Gaza, and it’s imperative that the world find a way to organize this kind of humanitarian intervention under the responsibility to protect principles or R2P that are accepted by the United States and the European Union. This is a good baby step towards that, but the genocide continues, and we really need to be clear about the fact that the international community is responsible for this. So-called Israel has fewer than 15 million people. How can a nation that size completely dominate the world to the point that they are allowed to get away with committing a genocide that no other nation would ever be allowed to get away with? The Israeli agents who dominate European countries, and especially dominate my own country, the United States, need to be arrested. They need to be put in prison. And the United States and the European countries need to pursue their own interests (not Zionist ones). And first of all, they need to stop this genocide.

Press TV: Okay, we’re going to go to Mr. Ngesa in Kenya. You heard what our guest just said about the fact that, nothing much has been done. Building on what he said, that the Europeans who have announced that they are sending their ships are not going to protect the ships till they get to the shore of Gaza. And I want to quote what the the defense minister said. He said “tomorrow we will dispatch vessels in case of necessity of assistance or a rescue mission.” So they are just going there to rescue in case the Israelis attack the boat. Do you think the Europeans are doing enough to protect this civilian vessel trying to do governments should have been doing?

I think we are having some sound issues with our guest in Nairobi, so we’ll go back to Mr. Kevin Barrett. Mr. Barrett, I do want to look at the history of the flotillas that have tried to break the siege on Gaza. We do know that this is not the first time. And obviously, the most tragic of those actually cost many people their lives, if you remember very well. Do you think something like that will happen? Because this particular flotilla consists of hundreds of people and many, many, many ships, and more also saying they are going to join. If they do get to that red zone where the Israelis have the history of stopping this boat, do you think we might be seeing something like that again? A more deadly attack by the Israelis?

Kevin Barrett: Well, theoretically, they shouldn’t be able to do that. That is, theoretically, once we get dozens or perhaps even hundreds of boats sailing to