Episode Details

In this episode, I welcome back returning guest Jason Fry, author of National Divorce: A Plan for Peace and a sixth-generation Texan, for a deep-dive conversation on Texas sovereignty and the practical path to a peaceful, legal separation from the federal system. We discuss why America’s core ideas—freedom, limited government, and God-given rights—aren’t the same as today’s federal apparatus, and how a “national divorce” can mirror a civil, negotiated split rather than war. We unpack state-level readiness (like the Texas Stock Exchange), fiscal realities, defense and currency considerations, the role of local leadership, and why a democratic referendum—not force—is central to any legitimate path forward. We also revisit recent border showdowns, post-election polarization, and how independence movements across states (and worldwide) illustrate that decentralization can reduce cultural conflict by letting regions self-govern. We touch on Jason’s faith and family perspective, his career and craft as a knifemaker, and the importance of preparing personally and politically: build strong families, support capable local leaders, and insist lawmakers let Texans vote on their future. Jason shares where to get his book (and a signed copy) and makes the case that a thoughtfully negotiated transition—much like Brexit—can protect prosperity and peace while aligning government with Texas values.

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(00:04:10) Opening from Eagle Pass and week-in-review

(00:06:23) Weekend shows: crypto picks and Bible study on wisdom

(00:11:19) Guest intro: Jason Fry on National Divorce

(00:13:06) Tech hiccups, Starlink chat, and warm-up banter

(00:15:16) Getting to know Jason: background, hobbies, family

(00:20:00) Faith, family, and politics: roots of Jason’s views

(00:21:32) Texas politics frustrations: taxes, speakers, priorities

(00:25:16) Outside money in Texas elections and state sovereignty

(00:27:30) California-Texas migration and cultural friction

(00:29:00) Upcoming guest tease and 2025 sovereignty signals

(00:29:38) Gold depository, TX Stock Exchange, and preparedness

(00:32:33) Does a friendlier DC slow independence movements?

(00:35:08) Polarization, violence concerns, and the ‘Judges’ analogy

(00:41:24) Shelby Park standoff: near-miss cautionary tale

(00:43:25) National Divorce explained: the marriage metaphor

(00:49:52) Addressing ‘civil war’ and treason accusations

(00:51:14) Can independence reduce polarization across states?

(00:55:23) One-size-fits-all governance vs. diverse states

(00:57:36) Perpetual union, realism, and consent of the governed

(01:04:03) America as an idea vs. the U.S. government

(01:08:36) Federal overreach and the case for robust federalism

(01:12:42) Post-breakup cooperation: trade and defense possibilities

(01:14:43) Independence movements beyond Texas

(01:17:37) ‘Post-TEXIT’ wo