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Can we read the Bible without reducing it to a rulebook, a road map, or a political weapon? In this episode of Thinking Christian, James Spencer sits down with pastor and author Zach Lambert to explore his new book Better Ways to Read the Bible. Together, they unpack four common but harmful lenses—literalism, apocalypticism, moralism, and hierarchy—and replace them with a healthier, Christ-centered, Spirit-guided approach grounded in humility, flourishing, and fruitfulness.

This wide-ranging, incisive conversation covers everything from the misuse of Revelation and American foreign policy to the liberation theology debate, Rachel Held Evans, Jordan Peterson, and the way Jesus reframes the Old Testament. With warmth, nuance, and pastoral insight, James and Zach wrestle with how to let Scripture breathe—and how to read it not for confirmation, but for transformation.

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Thinking Christian is hosted by Dr. James Spencer, president of the D. L. Moody Center and author of Digital Discernment (InterVarsity Press). Each conversation reads the Bible as the final authority for life and faith, questioning the assumptions of our culture, even our Christian culture, so that we don't settle for a narrower vision than God's word offers.

Unsettling convention. Cultivating conviction.
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