Early Days #16: Unchained by Joe Kelly

Summary:

In this episode of Early Days, Car sits down with Joe from Unchained to explore what building early in Bitcoin really teaches you: ship fast, listen closely, iterate constantly, survive the hard parts, and play the long game. Joe shares lessons from selling his first startup before entering Bitcoin, learning to find real customer pull, make revenue make sense, and improve security without sacrificing speed.

They dive into strategies that compound over time such as education, tooling, and partnerships, and why education is not just marketing but part of the product. Joe also breaks down how brand is earned through consistency and presence, and where he sees custody and treasury companies heading next.

We explore:

Early mistakes harden into operating principles that stick
Education as culture building, not just content
Brand as trust, consistency over slogans
Resilience and adaptability when markets swing

Chapters:

00:58 First Startup exit: early mistakes: operating principles

02:56 Why Bitcoin? reading the market and timing the jump

04:22 Business model fit, revenue that actually makes sense

06:40 Unchained Day 1–500: chase customer pull, not feature creep

09:16 Handling criticism: investor pressure (show, don’t slogan)

11:04 Notes to early builders: ship fast, listen harder

12:21 Survival mode: runway, focus, resilience

14:38 Hold tight vs. let go: when to persist or pivot

16:35 Indirect plays that compound: education, tooling, partnerships

18:32 Culture as product: education as culture-building; brand trust

22:56 Revenue in Bitcoin: services → product, infra → ?

29:32 Secure without slowing down: custody trade-offs

31:14 Custody then & now: workflows for teams and enterprises

34:09 Wallet UX + security: what’s actually new

36:59 Custody biz models

42:34 Treasury companies & stable coins

47:17 The digital playground and Bitcoins next wave

50:48 Education that scales community

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Early Days #16: Unchained by Joe Kelly