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Trained as a journalist by the BBC, Tony Gosling is a British land rights activist, historian & investigative radio journalist. He interviewed me last night (Jan. 24). Below are selected extracts. -KB

Tony Gosling: So what do you make of what's been going on in Gaza? Most people looking at this absolutely horrified. And we do see a large proportion of the press, particularly the Murdoch press, doing everything they can, bending over backwards, to defend the actions of Netanyahu and the Israeli state.

Kevin Barrett: It’s absolutely disgusting. It is the most in your face transparent genocide in human history. You can argue about what really happened in the Armenian genocide between Armenia and Turkey. You can even argue whether that really was a genocide, as some Turks do. You can make the same kinds of arguments around the Jewish Holocaust of World War II. And indeed, the Holocaust revisionists have a surprisingly good case for many of their contentions. And so you can argue until the cows come home about these horrific mass killings and ethnic cleansings that have defaced the history of humanity.

But you can't really argue about what's going on in Gaza now, because it's all being televised. The genocide is on television and it's being covered nonstop, even though the Israelis have murdered more than 100 journalists already and counting, trying to make sure it doesn't get reported.

Israel is clearly deliberately targeting civilians, civilian infrastructure, deliberately destroying fresh water supplies, blocking food supplies, blocking fuel supplies in the middle of winter, and then blowing up the housing. They’ve blown up the majority of the housing in Gaza. The Israelis are very clear in their intention to murder as many as they can and expel the rest. That’s genocide. It’s the clearest case of genocide under international law that has ever existed.

The Israelis are currently in court, being prosecuted by South Africa for genocide. We're expecting a preliminary ruling on the emergency measures that may be ordered on Friday.

So every one of these Murdoch papers, every one of these journalists, every one of these people who are defending this genocide are guilty of complicity in that genocide. And theoretically, they all are subjected to the legal punishments for mass murder, conspiracy to commit mass murder and genocide which would be life in prison in many jurisdictions and death in others.

Well we're seeing though, aren't we, amazingly many Zionists actually out on the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, particularly Tel Aviv, and Haifa as well by the way, even campaigning with Palestinians. Many Zionists believe that Netanyahu is in the process of completely destroying their dream.

I understand why they think that, because this has been a complete disaster for Israel. And one of the reasons Israel is pursuing this horrific and genocidal and indeed self-destructive policy is because Netanyahu can't stop or he might not only be thrown out of office but he might go to prison. Basically as soon as that war emergency is done then Netanyahu faces his legal reckoning for corruption cases. And once he’s out of power he’s going to be very, very vulnerable. His only hope is to stay in power, and the only way he can stay in power is as a sort of wartime commander-in-chief. So Netanyahu’s interests are overruling Israel’s interests in its own self-preservation.

It’s possible that the Palestinian resistance calculated this when it thought about what they would be doing on October 7th. They may have seen this vulnerability, that they could put Netanyahu in a position where he would pursue a self-destructive course. I think they thought it likely that Israel would go into Gaza. And the Palestinian resistance has built powerful fortifications in Gaza in the form of a tunnel network that was designed to basically pull th