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Ep 4 Using M-N- to determine which came first - Indian or Germanic culture?
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So you see what I'm trying to do there. I'm expanding our mental models of time from 4100 BCE when Tamana's ancestors left ancient Ukraine to 2000 years later when Tamana's name appears in one of the first texts. The first times Indo-European language is written down in Ankira, sorry, in Kanesh, but then I see it in 2025.
So it's written down between 1900 BCE and 1800 BCE in Kanesh, in ancient Anatolia, today's Turquia. And then roughly 4,000 years later, I, Estabones, I visit Ankira, which is named for a Celtic community who founded it around 300 BCE. I see this cuneiform text and the translation of it in Ankira Museum.
And I know the significance of this because the reason I'm in Ankira, archaeological museum is to try and find this MN sound and its origins and to find it there in one of the first texts was more than I hoped for. And then the primary text which was published a couple years ago on
translating Kanesite, Hittite, as it's known, this language. So this great scholar who took these 23,000 cuneiform texts from between 1900 BCE and 1800 BCE, which are mostly in Assyrian, which is a Semitic language, took those texts and deduced from them which are the Indo-European elements, the native elements in them. And he uses this uman sound to distinguish
Indo-European from Assyrian. So again, that was beyond my wildest dreams when I conceived of looking at the MN sound and I thought, oh, that's quite interesting. There's MN sounding names in eastern France and in Ireland and on the island of Britain. I wonder how that arose. And then I found the Manapi, this community of Indo-Europeans. But then...
way, going way, way deeper than Manapi, who dominated that area and the Monche, the area of the Monche, and then colonised Ireland and the island of Britain, and Normandy indeed, probably, from about 200 years into the Common Era. Deep, much, much more deeply than they are these other cultures.
who also have the MN sound in their different monikers and their mythological founders. So it's interesting that the very foundation of the Germanic people and in their myths, we have these three sons, each of which represents a different function, the sovereignty function, the security function, and the fertility, prosperity function.
It's a pattern which we see again and again in different Indo-European cultures and peoples. It's been established by Georges Dumuzel who had this intuition in the 1930s and then spent his entire career. And thousands of scholars since then have elaborated on it. And so the sovereignty function, which contains these two elements, the magico-religious,
like the Brahman or the Flamines or the Phila in Irish society, and the juridical, which is like the legal element, the ruling, the procedural element of the monarch. So like secular and religious. This division is very, like in post-revolutionary France, where the de-clericalization of society, the joining in into the sovereignty function of this magico-religious and the juridical,
the procedural, the ruling, the courts... That is very much part of the Indo-European model of governance and is part of the division which manifests in different ways in different cultures. So the second function, the security function, so my namesake is Stavones, represents the security element and in the Indian caste system, the Kshatriya, which is the army,
the military. And then the Ing is the founding monarch of the tribe of Germans who invaded and occupied what would become a country named for them called England, represents the fertility and prosperity function. And as discussed, that's probably a holdover from the pre-Indo-European.
So the Ingavionese takes their name from Ing, who corresponds to the old Norse god Freyr. So... Let's go back to the sovereignty function then in Germanic mythology. So I'm bringing your mind back. You probably have this mental model of the world. And this is also part of Findin