In this engaging episode, we delve into the complexities of human sexuality, challenging traditional views and misconceptions influenced by political events from the 1980s. We discuss Aela's recent research that suggests sexual orientation is overly focused on gender due to historical biases and male-dominated research. The conversation shifts to BDSM and how dominance and submission dynamics play a significant role in female sexuality. We address the rise of the 'sex wars' and compare them to previous 'woke wars', exploring societal reactions to BDSM avidity. Additionally, we examine the evolutionary and genetic roots of sexual preferences, the importance of understanding sexual profiles within relationships, and the impact of misclassifying these preferences. This episode is an invitation to contemplate the deep-seated nature of sexual orientation and the potentially harmful consequences of ignoring these discussions.
Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. Today we are going to be talking about a very, very fun topic, which is does human sexuality act actually work the way we think it does? ALA did a piece on this recently where she was digging through the research and she came to a conclusion very similar to our own, which is the only reason we see sexual orientation, IE preference for specific genders as the predominant aspect of human sexuality is because of weird political stuff that happened in the eighties.
And if you actually look at the data, that is a fairly bad way to divide humanity.
Simone Collins: I mean, I would add it, it's also from mostly male researchers doing this, and men do tend to have a more sex. Oriented sexuality, so that makes sense.
Malcolm Collins: So we're gonna go through a lot of her research on this. We're gonna go through the idea that she's gonna promote in this, which is she calls it like BDSM sexuality, but it's more like a sexuality that is more focused on which partner is the dominant or submissive partner.
Mm-hmm. Then focus on the gender of the partner. Mm-hmm.
As we've pointed out historically, this appears to be the primary form of sexuality in your average woman, not every woman, right? Mm-hmm. The same way that not every man is, you know, attracted to women, right. But on
Simone Collins: average it's, it's fair to argue per the research that Malcolm did, that women exist more along the lines of dominant submission orientation than they do to like attraction to.
Man versus woman, which is more how it is for men.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And now other people are pulling out this data, which I love, and which we're gonna go into. But this is
Simone Collins: really important, especially considering that, especially for women. BDSM oriented sexuality or like power, dynamic oriented sexuality. Is this pervasive because we are seeing what.
Ala alluded to in this, in this Substack piece, she did sort of a rise of the sex wars, which she sort of sees as being a predecessor or the, the next thing after the woke wars. Where, and we see this on all sides of the political spectrum. Mm-hmm. There are people including women who are like, this is disgusting.
This is, you know, you know, a violation of women's rights. This is violent, this is horrible. And that is for the same reason why in the past you would see many often predominantly male leaders being like, gay sex is disgusting. This is wrong. And that is because, as you point out in the pragmatist guide to sexuality sexuality exists on a, like, the way we react to, to things like, sources of arousal is we're either aroused or we are disgusted.
So if you, if you may be aroused by something or you could be disgusted by it, and it, it's very hard to not equate disgust with bad morals. So despite the fact that many women are aroused by being dominated, the women who are disg
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