Episode Details

📘 Episode Synopsis

In this powerful and honest episode, Dr. Joey Weisler sits down with clinical psychologist and neurodiversity advocate Dr. Matt Zakreski for a transformative conversation about what it really means to teach and support gifted and neurodivergent students. Together, they unpack failure, challenge superhero narratives in education, and explore how flexible pedagogy can create spaces where all kinds of minds are seen, supported, and celebrated. With stories from the classroom and the clinic, this episode is a candid reflection on how to change the narrative—not just for our students, but for ourselves.

📝 Show Notes

Guest: Dr. Matt Zakreski

Host: Dr. Joey Weisler

Podcast: Classroom Narratives: Healing in Education

🎧 Listen to Related Conversations:

• Jen Rafferty with Dr. Joey Weisler: Teacher Testimony
• Jen Rafferty with Dr. Matt Zakreski: Unlock Your Teaching Potential

🔍 Key Ideas from This Episode:

• Why “your brain is not a problem to solve—it’s a story to understand”
• The danger of the “gifted kid = superhero” myth
• Using flexible pedagogy to honor different learning styles
• A fresh take on failure: from shame to strategy
• Interest-Based Learning (IBL) as a tool for engagement and healing
• Why rigid systems lead to burnout—for both students and educators
• Creating learning environments that invite student agency
• Educator honesty and vulnerability as acts of transformation
• Rethinking assessment: choice as a form of equity
• Reimagining what success looks like in modern education

🌐 Resources and Links Mentioned:

• Dr. Matt’s Website: drmattzakreski.com
• Dr. Matt’s Book: The Neurodiversity Playbook
• Dr. Matt’s Podcast: Nerding Out on Neurodiversity
• Neurodiversity Collective (NDC): neurodiversitycollective.com