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【2025戛纳电影节 2025 Cannes Film Festival】

节目开始之前，和大家说一声，疲惫娇娃的几个女的已经空降戛纳参加电影节了！请关注我们的同名小红书账号看来自戛纳的更新。

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【聊了什么 The What】

本期疲惫娇娃，我们聊的是2024年的电影Conclave ——一部设定在教皇去世之后、围绕选出新一任教皇展开的电影。在这部由Edward Berger执导、Ralph Fiennes主演的作品中，观众得以窥见那场始终被神秘包围的梵蒂冈教皇选举：密室中的拉票、权力的计算、秘密的揭露，以及制度对个人的塑形与反噬。

我们从电影谈起，延伸到对天主教会体制的讨论：它如何用神圣维系秩序，又如何将改革压制在传统之下。影片中的主角们不仅是宗教人物，更是复杂的政治人类；而那些隐于画面边缘的修女、工作人员，则承载着最深的情感张力与结构性的沉默。

节目中也会提到最近现实中那位“美国出生的教皇”所引发的舆论回响，从中对照出Conclave所描绘的制度困境与文化裂缝。在一个讲求现代化的时代，信仰、怀疑、服从与转变之间的冲突从未停止，反而愈加微妙。在这集播客，我们也借着Conclave，用元视角反思了我们几个主播过去几年的信仰和布道。

In this episode of Cyberpink, we discuss the 2024 film Conclave — a story set in the aftermath of a pope’s death, centered on the secretive process of electing his successor. Directed by Edward Berger and starring Ralph Fiennes, the film offers a rare look inside the Vatican’s cloistered world: backroom deals, power games, hidden truths, and the way institutions shape — and consume — the individuals within them.

Starting with the film, we move into a broader conversation about the structure of the Catholic Church: how it uses sacredness to maintain order, and how tradition often suppresses the possibility of reform. The protagonists in Conclave are not just religious figures — they are deeply political beings. And those who remain on the margins of the screen — nuns, aides, staff — carry the film’s quietest, yet most intense emotional weight.

We also touch on the recent real-world election of the first U.S.-born pope and the media discourse surrounding it, drawing parallels with Conclave's portrayal of institutional tension and cultural fracture. In a world increasingly shaped by modernity, the conflicts between faith, doubt, obedience, and transformation have only grown more intricate. We also used Conclave as a lens to go meta, to reflect our journeys as long-term podcasters, examining our beliefs and evangelism over the past few years.

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【时间轴 The When】

00:00 — Conclave电影本影也没想到自己会因教皇方济各逝世而意外获得现实相关性，成为2025年最火的电影

03:50 — 现实中的美国出生的教宗Pope Leo XIV承认在真正的Conclave前也看了电影

04:40 — 什么是“Conclave”？拉丁语意为“上锁的房间”——一种自13世纪起流传至今的选教皇仪式

06:15 — 黑烟与白烟：那些宣布教皇当选的古老烟雾信号，也曾锁门限食以逼出结果

11:30 — 初观感：神秘又幽默，教廷政治竟然有点像校园食堂地缘政治问题？主角Lawrence像一个疲惫又需要收拾烂摊子的VP

19:13 — Lawrence想辞职，前任教皇说他是个“农场经理”而非“牧羊人”——讨论教皇制度管理与灵性角色的张力。疲惫娇娃进入meta状态，反思自己过去几年的信仰和布教

30:30 — 影片中Lawrence的一句台词引发共鸣：“确定性是团结的大敌，是宽容的死敌”——它如何映射当代的分裂与政治疲劳？疲惫娇娃继续meta

50:00 — 位关键女性角色：Sister Agnes，一个在结构之外但洞察深刻的“隐身者”。以及为什么我们要反复说女性角色

01:03:10 — 大结局讨论：一个意想不到的人选成为教皇，我们如何解读这个“神迹”。

00:00 — The film Conclave likely never expected to gain such sudden real-world relevance after the death of Pope Francis, becoming one of the most talked-about movies of 2025

03:50 — In real life, the newly elected U.S.-born Pope