Episode Details

Wildland firefighter, thru hiker, bike packer, author, and mental health advocate Kevin "30 Pack" Conley, Jr., drops into the studio for a serious conversation with Doc. Settle in and buckle up as 30 Pack not only shares his trail and bike adventures, but talks about his darkest moments and the healing, cathartic experience of bike touring across the country with his dog Rocky in tow. In this unforgettable episode, you'll hear about six-hour cheese, Apollo missions, GO Man, the 2x4 method of learning, and a rain-soaked walk home that led to everything.

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