Episode Details

In this enlightening episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark and Dr. Kaleb Rashad engage in a thought-provoking dialogue with Dr. Michael Fullan, an internationally acclaimed advocate for deeper learning. Together, they explore whether deeper learning is the key to addressing the challenges and opportunities presented by the new age of AI. Dr. Fullan introduces the concept of "systemness," emphasizing the need for systemic change over isolated educational initiatives. The conversation covers the transformative progress in Anaheim, driven by the integration of systemness and the five Cs of compassionate learning. Tune in to discover how AI can be a powerful accelerator for education when underpinned by a strong pedagogical and cultural foundation, and what it means to cultivate spirit work in learning environments. This episode is a must-listen for educators, administrators, and anyone interested in the future of education and AI's role in it.

• (00:00) Introduction to Deep Learning and AI
• (02:30) Systemness: The Key to Educational Transformation
• (05:55) Challenges and Successes in Anaheim
• (08:52) The Impact of PISA and System Change
• (10:13) Bottom-Up Change: Building Capacity from the Ground Up
• (14:45) The Five Elements of Systemness
• (17:30) AI in Education: Opportunities and Cautions
• (21:14) Spirit Work and Collaboration
• (31:35) Nuance in Leadership

• Watch the video here
• Read the full blog
• Kaleb Rashad Linked In
• Michael Fullan Press Kit
• Michael's Books Mentioned In This Episode
  • Leading in a Culture of Change
  • The New Meaning of Educational Change 6th Edition
  • Nuance: Why Some Leaders Succeed and Others Fail
  • Coherence
• eKadence
• Education Reimaged