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The big story about the Pope's funeral - bigger than the event itself on some measures - was a 15 minute one-on-one conversation between Presidents Trump and Zelensky - captured in a photo that is already on its way to becoming one of those iconic images. Commentators have been speculating that maybe in that 15 minutes, Zelensky was able to turn Trump's perspective around, to persuade him that Putin really didn't want peace. That's not what was going on here at all, and the people indulging in that speculation are engaging in wishful thinking. But simply by drawing on what we know about Trump's character, we can get some insights. Let's discuss.