Episode Details

My guest is Rick Warner, Executive Director and Director of Investigations for the Extraterrestrial Research Center (ERC), where he examines reports of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP). This conversation is about a deeper question: How do you investigate something when the evidence is incomplete, ambiguous, or difficult to verify? 

In this episode, we examine:

• How UFO/UAP reports are investigated and evaluated 
• What counts as credible evidence—and what doesn't 
• The challenge of separating signal from noise in eyewitness accounts 
• How interpretation shapes conclusions when data is limited 

This is an exploration of how investigation works at the edge of explanation—not a claim about what these phenomena ultimately are. In situations like this, the gap between observation and explanation is where most errors occur. 

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