Episode Details

Today, I am blessed to have here with me an investigative science and health journalist and co-founder of the non-profit Nutrition Science Initiative (NuSI.org), Gary Taubes.

He is the author of The Case Against Sugar (2016), Why We Get Fat and What to Do About It (2011), and Good Calories, Bad Calories (2007), published as The Diet Delusion in the UK. 

Taubes is the recipient of a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Investigator Award in Health Policy Research and has won numerous other journalism awards. These include the International Health Reporting Award from the Pan American Health Organization and the National Association of Science Writers Science in Society Journalism Award, which he won in 1996, 1999, and 2001. (He is the first print journalist to win this award three times.) 

Taubes graduated from Harvard College in 1977 with an SB degree in applied physics and received an MS degree in engineering from Stanford University (1978) and in journalism from Columbia University (1981).

In this episode, Gary Taubes joins the show to speak about his work shining a light on bad science in the nutritional realm. After publishing What If It’s All Been A Big Fat Lie?, Gary faced loads of backlash. However, that didn’t stop him. Gary has published countless books about why we need to ditch carbs, stop eating sugar, and start eating fats. Gary speaks about the inspiration behind his book, The Case For Keto. After interviewing 120 doctors from around the world that recommend the keto lifestyle, his book talks about why the established rules about eating healthy might be the wrong approach to weight loss. Tune in as we talk about why calories in, calories out is a terrible way to lose weight. 

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[00:20] About Gary Taubes

• Gary is a science journalist who is obsessed with bad science. 
• He found a disconnect between medical research and public research. The disconnect is especially terrible in the nutritional world. 
• After reporting about the DASH diet study, Gary found that eating a low-sodium diet wouldn’t help lower your blood pressure. 
• Then, Gary decided to start researching the low-fat diet.
• Gary keeps exploring different aspects of nutrition by shining a flashlight on dark science. 

[06:50] The Backlash From Gary’s Work

• Gary found that fat doesn’t make you fat; it’s carbs. 
• After the New York Times ran his story, What If It’s All Been A Big Fat Lie?, there was a massive uproar. Gary even lost a few friends because of the article. 
• People thought Gary made the research up to get a book deal. 
• All sorts of magazines did take-downs of Gary. 
• When Gary’s first book came out, there was still an uproar. People assume that he’s a quack. 

[20:35] About The Case For Keto

• Carbs are the reason that you get obese. However, the counterargument is always Asia. These people have lived primarily on rice. The answer is that they are low sugar consumers. 
• After we discovered insulin, people though