Episode Details

Ed and Melissa sit down for a fascinating deep dive into the extraordinary and often chilling world of criminal psychology as they interview Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon, forensic psychologist and author of That Beast Was Not Me.

This groundbreaking book chronicles his 50 years of analyzing and corresponding with some of history’s most notorious criminals, including Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gary, Thomas Lee Dillon, and many others.

What to Expect:

🌟 Unveiling the Letters: Gain unprecedented insights into the intimate, unfiltered correspondence between Dr. Smalldon and these infamous individuals. Discover what these letters reveal about their minds, motivations, and the humanity—or lack thereof—behind their actions.

🌟 A Psychologist’s Perspective: Dr. Smalldon will discuss the ethical and emotional complexities of maintaining such unique relationships, offering reflections on how his own perceptions of good, evil, and morality evolved over decades.

🌟 Never-Before-Told Stories: Hear firsthand accounts of some of the most revealing or unexpected exchanges, shedding light on the enigmatic personas of these criminals beyond the headlines. Also hear about Smalldon's time sitting face to face with John Wayne Gary, one of America's most deranged and egocentric murderers.

🌟 Lessons for Us All: Learn how this extraordinary journey informs our understanding of justice, forgiveness, and the shadowy corners of human nature. Whether you’re a true crime enthusiast, a psychology aficionado, or simply curious about what it means to correspond with history’s most infamous figures, this interview promises to be a riveting and thought-provoking experience you won't want to miss!

Tune in every Tuesday as your hosts, veteran true crime producer (Ed) and true crime super fan (Melissa), dive into the cases that keep you up at night - offering behind-the-scenes insight while breaking down the barrier between fan and creator.

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