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Join us as we dive into the concept of the perpetual male genocide and the harsh realities men face in today's dating world. From the historical bottleneck of the Y chromosome to modern fertility rates, we explore the challenges men encounter while trying to find a partner. We'll also touch on societal expectations, gender roles, and the intricate dance between men's and women's evolving roles. Are women inadvertently making it harder for themselves by pushing for equality? How does this impact men's chances of passing on their genes? We'll navigate these questions and more in this thought-provoking episode.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone! I'm excited to talk to you today. Today we are going to be talking about the perpetual male genocide. Ooh! And this is to say that males are in the process of being genocided in a way that's kind of irrelevant. Not, not for males, but for humans. But that it is something that has been going on for a long time throughout all of human history.

And I think I would

Simone Collins: argue it's been happening since Genders existed, sexes existed.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and I'd argue that

It's important to internalize this in your world model, especially if you are a male and you are out there trying to date because if you don't you will make the mistake of so many males I've heard who are out there dating and they're just go it's just so hard. It's so Unfair I'm just not gonna find a partner.

It's like Yeah, [00:01:00] yeah, it is really. What do you mean? It's like, yeah, it is unfair and hard and you need to get through that. And it's not even the hardest it's been. So, for example, when they're like, oh, come on, it couldn't have always could be worse in the past between 8000 to 4000 years ago, there was a pronounced reduction in Y chromosome diversity, indicating a genetic bottleneck in male heritage.

The period consides the transition from a hunter gatherer society to agricultural societies, known as the Neolithic period. While the exact ratio varies depending on the study and methodology, one striking estimate suggests that for every man who reproduced, 17 women did. Oof. So as bad as things are now Yeah, you think it's bad now.

They were worse for your ancestors.

Simone Collins: And as it stands now, tell me if I have this wrong, in the United States, around 61 percent of men have kids versus like 80 percent of women. Yes. So, I mean, it's admittedly bad. You've [00:02:00] basically got a coin toss as to whether or not you're, you're going to pass on your line at all. And this is having kids.

You know, we still argue that if you have one kid, you know, you've already basically halved your genetic future. I mean, you haven't replaced yourself at all. You need to have more than two kids for that. So. Yeah, I mean, I wish there were better stats for us on like the number of men who have had three or more Children because that's who I would say has actually survived, you know, who's actually going to make it into the future.

What I do know is that under 5 percent of women in America have more than five children.

Malcolm Collins: So by the way, this is from Pew, it's 86 percent of women ages 40 to 44 are mothers and this was in 2018.

Simone Collins: Oh wow. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: 86 percent Except I think

Simone Collins: most of those have only one or two and again, like only five have more than five.

And you know, those are the ones who I really see as.

Malcolm Collins: And I contrast that 86 percent was in the same study, 61 percent of men. Now I want you to contrast those two numbers with [00:03:00] over 50 percent of Gen X women planning to have no kids at all. If you're wondering how quickly population rates are going to