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My guest today is Justin Jones-Fosu, who is the CEO of Work. Meaningful., an organization dedicated to transforming corporate culture by fostering mindset, purpose, and performance. Justin is also the author of I Respectfully Disagree: How to Have Difficult Conversations in a Divided World — a timely guide for navigating the conflicts that seem unavoidable in today’s polarized world.

In our conversation, we explore the growing divisions in workplaces and beyond, unpacking why disagreements so often escalate into toxicity. Justin sheds light on why initiatives like DEI, despite their good intentions, sometimes fall short and how rethinking our approach to conflict could make a difference.

We discuss the core of his philosophy: seeing disagreements not as battles to be won but as opportunities to understand and respect others, even when we don’t see eye to eye. Justin shares actionable strategies and mindset shifts from his book, offering a way to approach disagreements that prioritize respect, collaboration, and mutual understanding.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to engage in conflict with clarity and compassion, whether at work or in everyday life.

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Here's What You'll Learn:

• Why the DEI initiative isn't working
• KEY TAKEAWAY: People are less likely to engage in solutions if they feel they aren't part of it at all
• How to engage with someone who has a different perspective from you
• KEY TAKEAWAY: Conflict management starts before any disagreement occurs
• The Five Pillars of Bridging the Divide
• The type of questions to ask to transform conversations to meaningful ones
• What is disrespectful agreement and how it may be sneaking into your conversations
• How to respectfully disagree when it's difficult to do so
• How our brains work against us in conflicts
• How to listen effectively in conflicts
• How to approach and resolve a disagreement when either party are leaning towards avoiding it
• How NOT to start the conversation with someone who has a different perspective
• What to do if the other person's perspective challenges your core fundamental values
• KEY TAKEAWAY: Even if we're closed-minded we have to be open-hearted
•  Why respect should not be earned but given freely
• How to ask questions to people you have a disagreement with
• Why you should look for common ground instead of middle ground

Useful Resources Mentioned:

I Respectfully Disagree: How to Have Difficult Conversations in a Divided World - Justin Jones-Fosu

Mindset: The New Psychology of Success - Carol Dweck

The Performance Paradox – How Only Focusing On Performance Leads to Performing Worse | with Eduardo Briceño

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