Episode Details

In this episode, we explore the horrifying and prolonged issue of grooming gangs involving Pakistani immigrants in the UK. We delve into the extensive networks of perpetrators, the victims' stories, and the shocking inaction by authorities. We discuss the cultural and systemic factors contributing to this crisis and critique the political and social structures that have allowed these atrocities to continue unchallenged. The episode also covers public and governmental responses, media coverage disparities, the influence of prominent figures like Elon Musk in bringing attention to the issue, and potential future outcomes.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone! Today we are going to be talking about grooming gangs! Because while this is not new news, or it should not be new news, because it's been going on for quite a while there have been extensive networks of grooming gangs of Pakistani immigrants within the UK. Where they would take young girls and What's the word here?

S A them? You know, it's basically like,

Speaker 3: He's snatching your people up, trying to rape them, so y'all need to hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your hood, because they raping everybody out here.

Simone Collins: Yeah, well, no, basically, basically what had happened was starting in the early ish 2010s, this became a more pervasive practice. Basically, an industry arose when selling hard drugs became a little bit too criminally dangerous.

So what instead started to happen was, Was the flourishing and growth of the purchase and sale of sexual services. But in a very not good way in [00:01:00] that these communities and this, this is one of those things where, okay crimes. Tend to, I've noticed in terms of crimes that have been committed against us.

They, they tend to meme their way through often cultural or ethnic communities. Like just, just, I think like careers do too, you know, like suddenly, you know, everyone's a doctor and like, you had

Malcolm Collins: a huge reason for it to meme its way through this community because the police weren't doing anything about it.

And yes, well,

Simone Collins: but anyway, like I would just say. Let's point out that like there are lots of weird, like kind of, esoteric crimes that do tend to be culturally siloed, not just because you're Pakistani or whatever could be because you're Italian or because you're Irish or because I'm sorry, Simona,

Malcolm Collins: I have a literally, and I mean this literally, I have never heard of widespread grape gangs that were not this one particular,

Simone Collins: no, I'm referring to like completely random different types of crimes.

Like, Remember in the travel agency world? No, but

Malcolm Collins: the [00:02:00] point I'm making is that it counters the point you're making, okay?

Simone Collins: I

Malcolm Collins: understand, you're right, it is true that sometimes a crime idea will meme its way through one particular ethnic, religious, or cultural community. And you are attempting to say that is how this particular practice spread within this community.

The counterpoint I am making is I had literally not heard of widespread grape gangs outside of this one particular community ever. And yet I find it within the countries where this religion is practiced frequently, and I find it within the communities that immigrate from this country. And that's because

Simone Collins: it correlates with a cultural dehumanization of women.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Yeah, but I'm just pointing out here. It's not like an accident that there was a question. No,

Simone Collins: it's not an accident. And I think there's an interesting discussion to be had the