Episode Details

Kate takes a cue from Doree and starts sleeping with her phone outside of her bedroom, while Doree talks potentially going back to caffeine. Plus, they discuss burnout and how to actually enjoy a vacation. Then they welcome sisters and co-authors of Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle Emily and Amelia Nagoski to chat about navigating the cycle of stress, solutions to responding to the patriarchy, learning to recognize when you’re burned out, and forming healthy sexual relationships.

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