Episode Details

In this deeply insightful episode, I sit down with Dr. Emma Katz to discuss the phenomenon of coercively controlling fathers sabotaging mothers' relationships with their children. Dr. Katz introduces the term “child and mother sabotage” (CAMS) to replace the often co-opted term “parental alienation,” highlighting its roots in coercive control and its frequent targeting of mothers.

Dr. Katz explains how societal sexism plays a critical role in these dynamics, amplifying the harm done to mothers and perpetuating harmful stereotypes. She also touches on the challenges survivors face in escaping abuse and emphasizes the strength and resilience it takes to rebuild after experiencing coercive control.

Key Topics Discussed:

• CAMS Explained: Why “child and mother sabotage” is a more accurate and protective term than “parental alienation.”
• The Role of Societal Bias: How sexist stereotypes are weaponized against mothers in cases of coercive control.
• Global Gender Bias: Findings from UN research that show the pervasive bias against women worldwide.
• Survivor Recognition: Why victims of coercive control deserve societal recognition akin to war heroes.
• Practical Guidance: How survivors can use CAMS terminology in legal and advocacy settings.

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Related Resources:

• Read Dr. Katz’s book, Coercive Control in Children's and Mothers' Lives.
• Read the article that Dr. Katz quoted from in today’s interview. 
• Check out Dr. Katz’s Substack and connect with her on Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Facebook. 
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Dr. Emma Katz is a researcher in domestic violence and coercive control, whose work has helped shape legislation and professional practice globally. Her book, Coercive Control in Children's and Mothers' Lives (Oxford University Press), is widely acclaimed. Emma also brings her research to the public in an accessible and influential way on her platform "Decoding Coercive Control with Dr. Emma Katz", which is read by 10,000s of people in more than 90 countries around the world. Emma's research has illuminated children's experiences of coercive control, which had previously remained largely invisible. She argues that children are affected by many forms of abuse inherent to coercive control, including the b