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The last time Mama Medicine (AKA Deborah Hanekamp) joined the show, I had a serious out-of-body experience. It was madness. This mama has some serious power. (If you want an idea of what I’m talking about, you can use code LUKE20 for $20 off a medicine reading any time in 2020 at www.mamamedicine.com/medicinereadings.)

So, of course, I had to bring Deborah back on, although we’re talking about a very different subject — ritual baths.

I’m not exactly playing pickup football at the park every weekend, but I like to think of myself as a pretty masculine dude. I definitely never thought of myself as the kind of person who would sink into a bath adorned with flower petals. 

But after reading Deborah’s new book — "Ritual Baths: Be Your Own Healer" — I really started to look at my bathtub with a new perspective. I always thought of showers and baths as more of a utilitarian thing: I get clean and kickstart my nervous system with a quick cold shower. I was so focused on staying clean and stacking biohacks that I never really stopped to consider the spiritual benefits of a well-planned bath.

Honestly, I never would have guessed there was so much I didn’t know about baths! But now that I know, I’m excited to add another easy #spirithack for inner peace and spiritual wellness to my repertoire.

10:25 — Why write a book on Ritual Baths?

• Baths are a really comprehensive way to be your own healer
• The feeling of cleansing you get after a bath goes deeper than just your physical body
• How approaching it with intention turns your bath into a ritual
• Why Deborah started recommending baths after medicine readings 15 years ago
• The historical relevance of ritual baths
• Why I love natural water and when I almost created a water-focused brand
• Giving yourself a womb-like experience submerged in the water

22:35 — What it looks like when you start a bath with an intention

• The “I Am Nature” bath
• What a medicine reading is like (use code LUKE20 for $20 off a medicine reading at www.mamamedicine.com/medicinereadings)
• Becoming your own healer

30:25 — How a healer is different from a guru or savior

• The issue of disempowerment, especially in spiritual communities
• When Deborah gave her power away and what she learned from that experience
• Creating Mama Medicine as something empowering
• “We all have access to the divine because we all have love.”
• Spiritual work is more often ordinary than extraordinary
• Why Deborah doesn’t consider remote medicine readings to be any different from in-person ones
• The space-time illusion

44:00 — The role plant medicines have played in Deborah’s journey and how they just might save humanity from destruction

• Deborah is still integrating what she learned after years with Mother Ayahuasca
• Why Deborah now doesn’t take any conscious-altering substances