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“Something about the motion of walking is conducive to generating both ideas and conversation. You can empty your mind and open your mind at the same time.” —Kevin Kelly

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf reports from a “Walk and Talk” across northern Thailand. Interviewees and conversation topics are listed by time-code below. Participant write-ups about (or alluding to) the 2023 Thailand Walk and Talk include:

• The Walk and Talk: Everything We Know, by Craig Mod
• Walk and Talk: Everything We Know (PDF document), by Kevin Kelly
• Walking the Heck out of Thailand, by Craig Mod
• Walk and Talk, by Derek Sivers
• Expanding Home, by Liz Danzico
• Where Do You Call Home?, by Jason Kottke
• 2023: Walking, by Dan Wang
• Why Not Pay Teachers $100,000 a Year?, by Daniel Pink

Kevin Kelly (4:00-15:00)

Kevin Kelly (@kevin2kelly) is a photographer, writer, and futurist, with much of his work centering on Asian and digital culture. His newest book is Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier.

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Liz Danzico (15:00-27:45)

Liz Danzico is VP of Design at Microsoft, and the Founding Chair of the MFA Interaction Design Program at the School of Visual Arts.

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Silvia Lindtner (27:45-46:00)

Silvia Lindtner is a writer, ethnographer, and Associate Professor at the University of Michigan. Her book Prototype Nation: China and the Contested Promise of Innovation was published by Princeton University Press in 2020.

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