Episode Details

A lot is said about Partition, Pakistan and the role of Quaid-e-Azam; we had the pre-eminent scholar on Partition, Ayesha Jalal, come on the podcast to set the record straight.  

On this deep dive podcast, Ayesha Jalal discusses writing history, 1947, 1971, the role of Bhutto, Fatima Jinnah, the legacy of colonialism, whether writing Peoples History is actually writing History,  The Sole Spokesman, what Pakistan did Quaid-e-Azam want and the division of provinces during Partition.  Ayesha Jalal also responds to other historians who have challenged her work. Despite 30 years passing since its publication, The Soles Spokesman, remains the gold standard in academia on Jinnah.

   Ayesha Jalal is a Pakistani-American historian who serves as the Mary Richardson Professor of History at Tufts University, and was the recipient of the 1998 MacArthur Foundation Fellowship

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Chapters:

0:00 Introduction

0:20 Academic Freedom

2:20 Why are we afraid of history

8:00 Decolonizing the mind

12:30 Imposing Urdu on Bengalis

15:20 Was Bhutto to be blamed for 1971

18:20 Is Fauj to be blamed?

22:20 Fatima Jinnah

24:10 Quaid-e-Azam was not a British agent

27:30 Was Muslim league anti-colonial

28:30 Separate Electorates

32:20 Writing History of the Marginalized

37:10 Quaid-e-Azam and Trial of Ilm-ud-din

38:00 Peoples History and Partition

43:00 The Sole Spokesman

45:12 Responding to Venkat Dhulipala's book

46:30 What Pakistan did Quaid-e-Azam want

50:00 Sikhs and Pakistan

54:00 Aurangzeb

55:20 Dividing Provinces during Partition

58:00 UP, Muslim League and Pakistan

1:01 Did Quaid-e-Azam leave Politics when he was in London?

1:05:00 What forced Quaid-e-Azam's hand

1:06:30 Quaid-e-Azam and Gandhi

1:09:00 Punjabi

1:10:30 Pakistan ko banaya tha Punjabio nay aur Bengalio nay