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Stuart Hameroff on Penrose, Self-Similar Consciousness, and Time Travelling Free Will (technical)
Episode 48
Published 5 years, 7 months ago
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Stuart Hameroff discusses his quantum microtubule theory of consciousness with Roger Penrose, exploring self‑similarity, Gödel’s theorem, and the hard problem. The conversation also tackles free will, quantum computing, and the relationship between cognition and consciousness.
0:00 Introduction
2:18 Fast and adroit question
2:58 Personal beliefs about God
3:44 Origin of consciousness in microtubules
8:55 Non‑computational nature of consciousness
11:56 Gödel’s theorem and quantum gravity
16:54 Quantum computers and Frolich resonances
19:25 Penrose’s role
23:45 David Chalmers talk reference
26:33 Penrose modifies ideas
28:04 Vibrations of consciousness (gamma)
32:00 Collapse time calculations
38:07 Myth of the 1% brain
41:33 Neuron firing rates under psychedelics
46:42 Cognition vs consciousness order
48:27 Anesthesia and truth serums
50:04 Working with Penrose
57:00 Free will as backward‑time travel
1:01:36 Dennett’s comment
1:02:33 Agreements/disagreements with Penrose
1:06:16 Explaining isolated systems, quantum phases
1:11:40 Explaining benzene rings etc.
1:13:08 Microtubule structure
1:17:33 Tau proteins and Alzheimer’s
1:17:00 Fractals and self‑similarity
1:20:06 Quantifying consciousness with anesthesia
1:21:42 Glial vs neuron roles
1:24:08 Can quantum computers be conscious?
1:28:55 Periodicity requirement
1:29:41 IIT vs Global Neuronal vs Orch OR
1:33:57 Falsifying Orch OR
1:37:00 Koch’s Schrödinger cat thought experiment
1:38:01 Platonic Forms connection
1:40:12 Curt’s favorite about Orch OR
1:42:52 Experiencing “nothing”
1:43:55 Comparing Wolfram’s theory
1:45:00 Penrose solving hard problem
1:47:07 Existence of free will
1:48:15 Strong vs weak anthropic principle
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0:00 Introduction
2:18 Fast and adroit question
2:58 Personal beliefs about God
3:44 Origin of consciousness in microtubules
8:55 Non‑computational nature of consciousness
11:56 Gödel’s theorem and quantum gravity
16:54 Quantum computers and Frolich resonances
19:25 Penrose’s role
23:45 David Chalmers talk reference
26:33 Penrose modifies ideas
28:04 Vibrations of consciousness (gamma)
32:00 Collapse time calculations
38:07 Myth of the 1% brain
41:33 Neuron firing rates under psychedelics
46:42 Cognition vs consciousness order
48:27 Anesthesia and truth serums
50:04 Working with Penrose
57:00 Free will as backward‑time travel
1:01:36 Dennett’s comment
1:02:33 Agreements/disagreements with Penrose
1:06:16 Explaining isolated systems, quantum phases
1:11:40 Explaining benzene rings etc.
1:13:08 Microtubule structure
1:17:33 Tau proteins and Alzheimer’s
1:17:00 Fractals and self‑similarity
1:20:06 Quantifying consciousness with anesthesia
1:21:42 Glial vs neuron roles
1:24:08 Can quantum computers be conscious?
1:28:55 Periodicity requirement
1:29:41 IIT vs Global Neuronal vs Orch OR
1:33:57 Falsifying Orch OR
1:37:00 Koch’s Schrödinger cat thought experiment
1:38:01 Platonic Forms connection
1:40:12 Curt’s favorite about Orch OR
1:42:52 Experiencing “nothing”
1:43:55 Comparing Wolfram’s theory
1:45:00 Penrose solving hard problem
1:47:07 Existence of free will
1:48:15 Strong vs weak anthropic principle
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