We explain the rising tensions between pronatalists and antinatalists as an ideological war emerges. While some antinatalists logically argue for non-consensual human extinction, we remain committed to pluralism. However, their totalitarian views are concerning as they gain institutional power. Though depressed and self-loathing now, their numbers grow quickly. We must peacefully opt out to avoid potential violence.
Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] We need to really keep in mind that there is a growing movement out there that wants to end all human life.
Khrushchev said he would bury you
Malcolm Collins: anyway, children too will be fine.
It would be such an ignorant thing to do If the Russians
Malcolm Collins: The problem is that these people don't have children and know they don't love them
. Believe me when I say to
Malcolm Collins: and they really do want to kill you all and they could end up in nuclear silos.
They could end up in positions of power and we need to keep in mind just how dangerous the forces arrayed against us really are you know, while we try to be as pluralistic as possible, we need to understand that they want to remove consent from everyone, everyone.
if you could end suffering tomorrow, yeah, probably anything is justifiable. Inflicting just about anything is probably justifiable, imposing just about anything is probably [00:01:00] justifiable
Malcolm Collins: They are the, I think, the truest and purest form of evil in the world today. And it feels really good that there are enemies because I know I'm on the right side. It's like you get to a holocaust camp and you're like, Oh, these guys are clearly the f*****g bad guys. You get to an epilous subreddit, you're like, Oh, wow!
You could not more clearly signal that you're evil. But they are growing and they're growing faster than us.
Simone Collins: Yeah, yep, gird your loins, ladies and gentlemen,
Would you like to know more?
Simone Collins: So Malcolm, I'm not really sure when this is going to go live, but we are very rapidly approaching the end of the year 2023. This has been a wild year for us through the generosity of the survival and flourishing fund a significant amount for pronatalist advocacy work. Which got us really tapped into the community to the global landscape.
We've spoken with journalists across the world, Germany, France,
Malcolm Collins: politicians, politicians, leaders.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Just individuals. It's been wild. And I, I came in with [00:02:00] a very different perception of the forces arrayed against pronatalism that I have now at the end of the year, I came in thinking the forces arrayed against pronatalism are.
Just it being hard to have kids, it being expensive to have kids, it being daunting to have kids, the regulatory load being too high, and those things matter. But what I'm realizing is really at play and this is something that came up at the natalism conference in Austin that we attended in December and spoke at was it really what this is, is there is a growing, there's a war on the horizon and it is between people who are pro humanity, pro humanity.
Existence, sentience, life. I'm not saying pro life like anti abortion. I'm saying pro life like I like the fact that things exist and feel and, and anti life and this is something that we first got the rumblings of in like various off the record salons and dinner parties we [00:03:00] were hosting where we would bring up demographic collapse and pronatalism among major leaders, investors, politicians, influencers, et cetera.
In a common The most common pushback we got, it was never any of the things I thought were the big bags, bads. It was never expensive, blah, blah, blah, regulatory, bl
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